But with a ratio of 1:10 – 50,000 vacancies to 500,000 unemployed – many will remain unemployed, even if they were “all professors and motivated to the tip of their hair”.

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But with a ratio of 1:10 – 50,000 vacancies to 500,000 unemployed – many will remain unemployed, even if they were “all professors and motivated to the tip of their hair”.

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Of course, it makes sense to try to get people back into work. But with a ratio of 1:10 – 50,000 vacancies to 500,000 unemployed – many will remain unemployed, even if they were “all professors and motivated to the tip of their hair”. That is why it would be necessary to increase unemployment benefits – also in order to increase purchasing power. To do this, it is important to reduce the fear of unemployment, but also of a second corona wave, noted Katzian.

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The “Black Lives Matter” demonstration on June 4th was not corona-compliant. With 50,000 people, keeping distance rules is also difficult. While some are now complaining that you can then go to sporting events again, others use the moment and fight for sustainable equality in a system in which structural racism is so deeply anchored that white people do not notice it. Politician Mireille Ngosso (SPÖ) in an interview about white sensitivities and young hope

News: How are you after the last few days? Mireille Ngosso: We expected 3000 people at the demo, in the end 50,000 marched. It was a great moment and a great feeling when young people, old people, black and white people shouted “Black Lives Matter” in unison. Especially so many young people under 25 were there. In this generation in particular, they really seem to want changes in terms of structural racism. Also for the next generations.

How have the past days and weeks been for you? What do the sometimes extreme images of protest from America trigger in you? I don’t think it’s great, but I can understand why it got this far. In America, racism has a long history, from slavery to segregation and now the death of George Floyd. That was the last drop that broke the barrel. The “Black Lives Matter” movement has been around since 2013, people have always tried to demonstrate peacefully, but the people just weren’t heard. What happens now is out of anger and desperation. People simply want respect and equality.

The topic is experiencing a whole new dimension on social media. What role do you think the internet plays in this movement? A very big part. Thanks to the Internet, this movement was able to get so big in the first place and it has penetrated from America to us. For me it is important to see what experiences other people have had with racism. Here you can see what injustices are really happening. There are so many young People of Color and Black People of Color on Instagram in particular, who are doing great educational work and telling their personal stories. Here they get the space, here their stories are finally heard.

How tired are you yourself of repeatedly stressing the relevance of the discussion about structural racism? When I became politically active, I initially swore to myself that I would never speak publicly about integration and migration. I’m not just a black woman, I’m also a mother and doctor. I didn’t want to put on this shoe. But the moment I noticed how many young black people were looking for a role model in me and also encouraged me, I knew that it was my duty to educate other people. I knew it was no longer just about me, it was about the next generations and about people who need a voice. Young black people need someone who listens to them and understands their problems, who represents them.

The term “Ally” has been raised more and more in the last few days. So that white people show solidarity with black people and form a common alliance against racism and hatred. What can a white society do to combat racism? As a white person, you contribute a lot if you just listen to people and accept that there are injustices in this country that a white person does not experience firsthand. With this media attention, we currently have the chance to open a door and we have to do that too. Even if it is exhausting to constantly fight against prejudice. For example against the fact that you want to bring about a fight between black and white people.

A hashtag that has been booming over the last few days: #alllivesmatter. So not only black ones but all lives count. This has met with criticism from the #blm movement. Why is it so important to listen exclusively to black people right now? It is troublesome that white people often feel attacked immediately in these discussions. It’s not about dividing society apart, but about growing together as a society. It is an absurdity to say: “Now the blacks want to fight the whites!” or “Now the whites are being discriminated against!” That’s just not true. It is a fact that the majority white society has no problem with their skin color. Neither in the education sector, when looking for accommodation or in the job market. Black people are systematically discriminated against in their everyday lives because of their skin color. We do not deny that all people have problems because of their gender, their job, their religion. But the white skin color never plays a role. I say: Of course all lives count! But as long as black lives are worth nothing or less, one cannot say that “all lives matter”.

“It’s not about dividing society apart, but about growing together as a society”

You have an entry on Wikipedia that says that your parents raised you in an “overly Austrian” manner. Can you be more specific? My parents insisted that I speak good German, that I learn Austrian history, that I see a lot of Austria. That was important to them. When my parents came to Austria from the Congo, they were so busy arriving and gaining a foothold here that our own culture took a back seat. I don’t blame them at all, they just wanted me to have it as easy as humanly possible. But in retrospect, I think it’s a shame that I only learned more about the Congo many years later. I traveled there a lot as an adult and got into a lot of culture. Only then did I even understand that black people have also been present in Austria for a long time. We’ve been part of this culture for a long time, but we don’t appear in the history books. It is pretended that this society has always been white and is consistently white.

How was growing up in Austria as a black woman for you? I came to Vienna from the Congo when I was three, together with my parents. It wasn’t always easy, especially in school I often had difficulties and struggled with racism and prejudice. I dropped out of school when I was 16 and only made up for my Matura at night school much later, when I was 20. Then I studied medicine. I have been a doctor in Hietzing for three years now and have also been politically active for a few years. I have experienced racism again and again, the most recent event was this extreme wave of hatred that hit me after my appointment as SPÖ district director in 2018. When I accepted the job at the hospital, I thought that my skin color would also be an issue in the health sector. Fortunately, there have been no incidents in my job so far. The only thing that happens to me sometimes is that patients think I’m the nurse. But that happens to a lot of women.

What differences do you see from then to now? What has changed? My mother worked as a cleaning lady for years, my dad in a factory. In such positions black people were tolerable for the white majority society. Black people have long done the jobs that whites didn’t want to do anyway. But now there is this new generation of young black people who want to study and be recognized as part of society. We don’t want to be invisible anymore. I am Viennese, Austrian. I am part of this society. My son was born here, he is Viennese and he wants to be accepted as such. That’s what it’s all about.

As a black woman in Austria, do you see yourself represented by the traditional media in Austria? Please take a look around your own editorial team. How many black editors do you have? Or even represented in the major mainstream media in this country? Stefan Lenglinger and Arabella Kiesbauer, that’s where it almost stops again. You can’t always talk about inclusion. You have to live it. You have to open doors in all areas of life. The more black role models young people have in politics, business and in the media, the easier it is to take action against everyday racism. You have to use this momentum to finally take action.

How could the media ensure more diversity here? When I look at the comments under some media reports, I feel sick. Sometimes I really have to put my cell phone down because otherwise it will finish me off. I ask all media representatives: Moderate your comments. Freedom of expression and active discourse are important, but please delete racist slurs. Racism is not an opinion. As a white person, you can’t even imagine that: If you are insulted like that in public, whether it’s online or on the street, you feel terrible. You develop an incredible sense of shame. Even if everyday racism occurs, for example at work. How often have I laughed along at “jokes” that were latently racist because I didn’t want to be naked. As a black person, one is often in a relationship of dependency and cannot open one’s mouth. That has to stop.

What kind of impetus should politics give to combat racism? What would you wish for – also from your own party? I would like a concession from politicians and a promise that we will tackle this problem in our country. This situation right now is for me the confirmation that I have not imagined the racism in this country for all these years. That it happens to others too. 50,000 people have confirmed that we in Austria have a problem with racism. That gives me a sense of liberation. Now we can tell what it really is like. Now we can set the course for the next generations. We will go ahead and plan regular events to which we want to invite people from the police and from the education sector. We seek dialogue. The youth should have the opportunity to ask questions and show how committed and motivated the black community is in this country. We want the “Black History Month” in which we want to tell the black history of Austria. The white majority society should be given the chance to learn. You have to use this momentum to finally take action.

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Mireille Ngosso is 39 years old, a doctor at the Hietzing Hospital and deputy district head of the Inner City of Vienna (SPÖ). She is co-organizer of the “Black Lives Matter” movement in Austria. She will run for the Vienna City Council on the SPÖ list place 27.

This article originally appeared in the news issue No. 24 + 25/20. We have published a longer version online.

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